83 ~ Power of Sisterhood: Exploring Honesty

Brenda and Catherine pull back the curtain and explore their own sisterhood and the transformative power of truth-telling in female friendships. They share how their relationship began with an act of honesty and vulnerability, setting the stage for an authentic connection that transcends conventional women's relationships.

Episode Highlights:
• How Catherine was mentoring Brenda's daughter and it led to moments of truth, sparking their friendship
• How honesty and truth-telling form the bedrock of transformative female friendships
• The concept of "cleanup" - taking responsibility when communication lands poorly without blame or defensiveness
• The importance of self-holding and managing your own emotions instead of making them someone else's responsibility
• Moving beyond superficial "wine and complain" friendships to soul-nourishing connections
• Balancing the desire to help with the wisdom to allow others their own journey
• The power of reflecting back another woman's strength and capability rather than trying to fix her
• Finding the discernment to know when to speak truth and when to simply hold space

Where do you struggle with sisterhood? We'd love to hear your takeaways and what topics you'd like us to explore further in future episodes. Reach out to us @desireasmedicinepodcast on instagram

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Desire is Medicine
• 1:40 The Birth of a Sisterhood
• 8:47 Truth-Telling in Female Friendship
• 17:32 The Art of Cleanup in Relationships
• 21:40 Self-Holding & Taking Responsibility
• 27:40 From Surface to Soul Connection
• 34:20 Backing Sisters While Allowing Growth
• 38:35 Closing Thoughts on Sisterhood

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:08

Welcome to Desire is Medicine. We are two very different women living a life led by desire.

Speaker 1: 0:14

Inviting you into our world. I'm Brenda. I'm a devoted practitioner to being my fully expressed true self in my daily life, motherhood relationships and my business Desire has taken me on quite a ride and every day I practice listening to and following the voice within. I'm a middle school teacher turned coach and guide of the feminine.

Speaker 2: 0:36

And I'm Catherine, devoted to living my life as the truest and, hopefully the highest version of me. I don't have children. I've never been married. I spent equal parts of my life in corporate as in some down and low shady spaces. I was the epitome of tired and wired, and my path led me to explore desire. I'm a coach, guide, energy worker and a forever student.

Speaker 1: 0:58

Even after decades of inner work, we are humble beginners on the mat, still exploring, always curious. We believe that listening to and following the nudge of desire is a deep spiritual practice that helps us grow.

Speaker 2: 1:12

On the Desires Medicine podcast. We talk to each other, we interview people we know and love about the practice of desire, bringing in a very important piece that is often overlooked being responsible for our desire peace that is often overlooked. Being responsible for our desire. Welcome back, friends, hello, hello. Thank you so much for listening and tuning in to the Desire as Medicine podcast. I am joined today with the lovely co-host to the Desire is Medicine podcast, brenda, one of my favorite humans of all time.

Speaker 2: 1:50

Brenda and I have a gorgeous sisterhood. It did not happen overnight. I am going to sort of share a little bit of what that looks like. I am unclear if I have said this on the podcast before. I tend to channel sometimes and then I forget and then Brenda reminds me. So maybe later she's going to remind me. But since I am opening, if I have said it before, too bad I'm saying it again. Bad I'm saying it again.

Speaker 2: 2:30

So I was in a coaching program and I actually met Brenda's daughter and she's really young. I mean, she's in her twenties, I don't even think she's in her thirties yet. Uh, and I didn't know Brenda. And in this coaching program there were some things occurring and sisterhood was definitely part of the program. It was something that was spoken about. One thing that I feel really strongly as a woman is that I think I guess I feel strongly about this even as a human. I think that when we know better, we do better. Ultimately, I think we all want happiness and we want healthy, fulfilling lives. So I saw some things happening with her and with her daughter, haley, and I asked Haley hey, can I share? And I remember sharing some things with Haley and I know I feel strongly about this and I'm sure I've talked about this part before on the podcast, which is my mom died when I was very young, I was 15. And one of the things that I wanted more than anything in this life was to have an elder woman in my life that was strong, that was powerful, that was in her power, while also being extremely loving and soft and generous. And I feel like a version of that now. I feel like a version of woman that I really wanted when I was young. Now I feel like a version of woman that I really wanted when I was young, and so whenever I see a younger woman Encountering some questions about life, etc.

Speaker 2: 4:21

I tend to want to lean in and offer a reflection of some kind Of course with consent. People don't come get me all right internet, I ask for consent. So I asked for consent. She said, yes, we had our own connection and Haley's just a lovely human.

Speaker 2: 4:35

Fast forward a little bit. I was taking a business class and Brenda was there and I met Brenda for the first time. But now I'm meeting Haley's mom and it felt like an authority figure. And here's this woman. She's like tall and gorgeous, luscious hair, and she has all this presence and we so happen to be sitting next to each other.

Speaker 2: 4:59

And this must have been potentially 2018, I want to say, this must have been potentially 2018, I want to say. And I said to her I think we had like exercises to do with one another and in our lineage, one of the things that we say is like I just want to offer cleanup or I want to say some things, and so I just let her know. Hey, I may have overstepped with your daughter a few times, sort of injected myself. I did ask for consent, but I just want you to know, and I wanted her to know because I was starting to feel like we had a friendship brewing and I didn't want her to be blindsided or potentially she would have an opinion about a woman speaking to her daughter. I just didn't know.

Speaker 2: 5:41

Lo and behold, they have a gorgeous relationship and my fears and worries at the time probably didn't matter. I don't know, I have never actually asked that particular question, but my way of being respectful was to sort of bring her into this, and there have been many things that have happened in between, but this was sort of the seed of the early beginnings, of when I saw this woman who was stunning and smart and a gorgeous presence, and I thought to myself she's someone I want to know. I've really enjoyed her daughter myself. She's someone I want to know. I've really enjoyed her daughter. But she's my peer, we're closer in age and I would really love to form a better friendship with her. Can you remember that time, brenda?

Speaker 1: 6:35

This is bringing back the best memories. Yes, you're right. It was 2018 and you met my daughter. She was just out of college when she did that coaching program, so she was early 20s and she's actually about to be 30 this month, so it has been a bunch of years. I do remember that and I remember that exact moment when you came over to me and you were telling me this thing and I don't remember the details anymore. I trust that you do thing and I don't remember the details anymore. I trust that you do and my takeaway was, oh, this woman is telling me something that means so much to her and I felt respected, like, oh, she's telling me something about my daughter and it felt like a lot of respect and reverence and care. That was my takeaway, without remembering the details, and I think we just were friends ever since that moment.

Speaker 1: 7:38

We did this little business program together, like how to have a business, which is a really funny stories from that, which maybe we'll tell another time which was 2018. And Catherine asked me if I wanted to hang out. I think we met in Jersey city and we did some coworking and I was really touched by Catherine. I was like, who is this woman, catherine's a woman's woman, like she is a sister, and I felt that and I wanted that and I really felt like that was possible with Catherine, this powerful woman who's much shorter than me, but like explosion of power and humor and truth, and it was a little confronting because we're so different, which now is such a gift and I guess it was a gift back then too but I was really touched by that. I was really touched by that and you're bringing up a beautiful piece of sisterhood which is coming to each other with the truth, and that's how we met, oh, my goodness, mic drop people, mic drop.

Speaker 2: 9:03

Yes, One of the biggest pieces of sisterhood and any relationship, any form of relating right, is to not have withholds. And, to be really honest, this titter totter, this place where I want to mentor younger women and where I do ask for consent, but I have a lot of I would say I still have some charge around it. I'm not value neutral. I'm like, hey, young woman, I want you to have the best fucking life possible and if I could in any way shape or form, influence that or move that fucking needle, I have got you. So I don't people here. I am confessing I am not perfect. This is not a value neutral place for me. This is like life is one time. Life is a long time, but it's one time. There are so many different conditionings for both men and women. We don't have that many elders. We don't have that many people that have gone Like I have been a professional student of personal development right Like my whole life, and so, yes, I feel really strongly about showing younger women what's possible.

Speaker 2: 10:17

And there I was, meeting Brenda, like, oh, I'm like I just met the mom of the person where I have injected myself in my opinions and, yes, she's grown and all this kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2: 10:30

But that was honest, like for me in that moment. I'm like the honest thing is, yes, I love her daughter and, yes, I have injected. And I'm also not 100% value neutral. Here I want to just out myself to her so that she knows. Here I want to just out myself to her so that she knows and it's, you know, in the range of we were going to use a ruler and measure this on a scale of one to 10, is it the worst thing? No, it's not like I do want the best right, but I'm not value neutral. And so it was really important to me and I was coming from a place of respect because here I was meeting this person and I did want to form a friendship with her because clearly I loved her daughter, I knew I was going to love her even more and I wanted her to know me from, not just the person that wanted to befriend her, but also whatever darkness I was bringing in, like, whatever places were not clean. I needed her to know that upfront. I didn't want to hide behind that.

Speaker 1: 11:29

That's really gorgeous and I love that. That's the basis of our friendship and I just was able to receive you and I'm so glad you weren't value neutral with my daughter. I mean, I think there's a place to be value neutral, but we can't just we're not robots we're not going to just always be value neutral all the time. I think that sometimes we have an opinion and we're going to share it and we're going to take a chance and maybe we'll overstep a little bit. I would rather that than the opposite, which is like diminishing yourself and not saying the thing and I think this is how we bring other women higher of all ages is by taking that chance and saying something, that you see the new paradigm of sisterhood, as opposed to criticizing or complaining, with each other being critical or trying to fix. You're like, hey, I have this truth that I want to share. That in itself is value neutral. So I'm glad that you took a chance. I think that's a brave thing to do and you're so good at that.

Speaker 1: 12:45

Catherine is just great at that. That's literally my life's journey and being on this podcast is so hella uncomfortable, probably for both of us in different reasons, but for me, I've just been learning to speak my voice and be visible, and I've worked through so many visibility wounds on this podcast and I've worked through so many visibility wounds on this podcast. And for Catherine, it's just, that's just. She just came out of the womb speaking her truth. You know she's said many times she has to learn to say it with more care and love. If I believe I'm quoting her correctly, she's shaking her head, folks, and giving me the thumbs up and just in that, we're talking about sisterhood. We're really talking about backing each other in our desires and you were backing my daughter and saying the truth to somebody in a loving way, without projecting onto them or getting attached to it or oh, you didn't do what I said. If they don't want to pay attention to it is a loving thing to do telling each other the truth.

Speaker 1: 13:58

I think we need a lot of practice in that. I know I've been practicing that for many, many years and it is a new way of relating because, let's face it, women don't always tell the truth. We don't tell the truth to each other. We don't tell the truth to ourselves. We don't tell the truth to our men. We don't tell our children the truth. We don't tell our parents the truth, we kind of dim it all down and make it more palatable. But palatable isn't real. And if we're talking about being our full, true selves, living a life led by desire, you got to be real. And that is something that I want to bring into this conversation is backing each other fully as sisters. And that does take, you know, that's taking a risk, taking a chance, and somebody might not like it.

Speaker 2: 14:57

Yes, I 100% agree, and you are correct, we're on different sides of the spectrum as far as speaking and being fully expressed. Brenda's life's work is being more fully expressed and my life's work is learning when I'm not supposed to say anything, learning when to just S-T-U-F. I just need to, yeah, just like not say it. So I have a lot of practice in cleanup and that's also something right. Cleanup is I say something, maybe I misspoke, or maybe I said it badly, poorly, not enough love, too much judgment or too much opinion and maybe some shade that's some kind of shady and personality and so I have to say, hey, I didn't mean it that way or I'm really sorry, but I have seen and witnessed so many women really confronted with not speaking up. It hasn't been my, my personal cross that I'm willing to stand on. The cross that I have, which is I have to clean it up, feels a lot better. I have a lot more practice than not saying something because I'm afraid of how it's going to come across and then having to like sit with it as if I ate the words. One thing I have had a lot more practice in is knowing, oh, if I say this truth, I might have to clean something up, and so now I mostly do it with the people that I really love, because I'm willing to be a person that has to clean up the junk.

Speaker 2: 16:49

Before I used to do it with everybody the neighbor, the person at the bus stop. Anybody told me a story like I was completely willing to stand for the highest version of someone at any point in time or tell my opinion at any point in time, and then I realized, I guess, the polarity of the things. Right, sometimes maybe it was good for me to share, maybe it wasn't. And then I started to say, oh, this is risky, and that then I find myself having to defend myself or explain something to someone that do I really want to make this kind of energetic investment, and so that really helped me get into a place of discernment with truth and honesty. But I do love that I have the skill, the cleanup skill, for sure.

Speaker 1: 17:42

This is a great topic, this cleanup skill. When we're talking about women and sisterhood because I'm thinking about disagreements or fights, or when your feelings get hurt in a friendship which I think that happens a lot with women we have a lot of emotions, we have a lot of feelings and we can take things personally. It's very easy to do and and what do you do from there? There's so ways to go from there as women. Oh my goodness, like you can just backstab someone. You could talk about her, you could take a sister down so easily just by talking about her, right, and then also giving her a compliment when she walks in the room, like gaslighting Right, but cleaning up with friends.

Speaker 1: 18:34

This is really where sisterhood is like in the practice space, like you're on the yoga mat and the go-to or the old way out in the world is blaming. You did this, you hurt me, you did this, and I think the new way is taking responsibility, like you're pointing to, like just taking responsibility. And hey, it takes two to tango always. But what I've been learning is and this has helped my relationships tremendously it's just not even getting involved in what the other person did, but more focusing on where did I get hurt and can I just take care of myself there? Can I parent myself? Can I nurture myself? And then also, where did I have a hiccup? Where can I take responsibility?

Speaker 1: 19:33

And I just had this with a friend last week. I'm in California, I'm with a bunch of women and I said something to someone. I left her a voice memo and her feelings got hurt and I didn't realize it at first and then, like five hours later, I thought, oh, my goodness, I think I may have not said that really well, I think it didn't land well and I want to go back and say hey, instead of just letting it sit and wondering or waiting for her to come back and say something or not. I just sent another voice memo and I was like hey, how did that land? Do you have any thoughts on this? I think it landed kind of funky. And she came back and she said, yeah, it landed super funky. Her feelings did get hurt.

Speaker 1: 20:22

Um, her feelings did get hurt and I was able to just look within and say, oh, I went really fast. I went really fast with this person with my own desire. I was excited about something else. I left her a quick message. I kind of hot potatoed it and didn't really take a lot of care and instead of just getting involved in her stuff or anything, I just said, oh, I'm really sorry, I went really fast there and that's it. It was just done. And honestly, in the past those things would have been really awkward for me.

Speaker 1: 21:05

Well, you're the cleanup queen, so maybe you'll have more to say on this, but I think it's a really beautiful thing as women to just and with our men, with anybody, any relationship, just take responsibility and the whole thing melts. And that is permission. That's permission to be a human and just kind of mess up a little bit along the way. And this is how we practice and grow. We can actually practice with our women, with our friends, and that can take us so much higher. And if we could practice with our friends and then bring that to the men, our relationships will be that much more fulfilling as well.

Speaker 2: 21:48

Great point. Yes, we get to practice relating everywhere you mentioned we were talking about cleanup, and I would be a mess if I didn't share one part. So part of being fully expressed and having a high potential of hurting somebody's feelings, that would be me. That's where I am on the spectrum. I, my friends, are aware, right, like my sister's aware, I'm sure, brenda, if you have something really tender to tell me, you're going to tell me. I'm going to share something and I'm tender because that lets me know. Hey, catherine, don't come in and fucking chop my head off or give me some strong, tough love Like that's not where the fuck I'm at, I'm like bleeding, bleeding heart. And so I really appreciate when people tell me where they are, because sometimes I miss that, I miss the cue, because it's not something that I'm looking for, it's not.

Speaker 2: 22:52

Yes, it's not my first response by any mean. My first response is, to be honest, quick in and out, and I do know that for my more tender friends it does require a lot more energy on my part because it's not my natural way of being. So I have to do my very best and sometimes I surprise myself, sometimes I think it was really mean, and then my friends will be like no, that was fine, it's fine. Not, it was fine, you hurt my feelings, I'm fine, I'm just like it was fine, it was really loving, it didn't land sideways. But sometimes I'm so careful, right, mincing and like watching and making sure I don't step on any booby traps and that sort of thing. It's not so easy, right. And this is the other part about honesty. It's like like I can be fully expressed and really honest with a sister, but if I have to cater it to where she's at all the time, then there comes a point where I don't want to share anymore because it's just so exhausting, right, and just so tiring. I have too many things on my plate to be thinking about where she is on the spectrum of her emotions, and so that's the other part of this.

Speaker 2: 24:11

Honesty is like can we be the people that people can be honest with us? Can we, like if our sisters are backing us and telling us truths, there will be moments where we're going to hear things that we don't want to hear, maybe not in the way we want to hear it. Maybe it comes across mean. Can we hold ourselves enough that we continue to hold the bond and the path of honesty, going in one direction as well as the other. So that's also something to think about.

Speaker 2: 24:51

Not just can you deliver truth, but can you receive it, and my favorite word is ouch. When that happens, I received something that was harsh. I'm like ouch that hurt, because I want to let the person know that it hurt, but I don't want them to not tell me. Because it's really, really important to me that the people that I value the most in my life can be honest with me, that they don't have to tiptoe around me or worry about my emotions or worry about how I'm going to take something or try to in some way manage my nervous system. I don't want that to be someone else's job. I want it to be my job.

Speaker 1: 25:37

Yeah, that's really a beautiful piece, the self-holding, taking care of yourself. And that's why it's so many of these conversations. We really always do bring it care of yourself and that's why it's so many of these conversations. We really always do bring it back to yourself, starting with yourself, taking care of yourself. Where did your feelings get hurt? What can you do? What do you need? How can you be honest? That's just baseline taking care of your own self and your own system. And the more you do that with yourself, the more you're going to be able to show up and have the relationships that you want, because you're not bringing your mess to your relationship. And that's not to say that you can't ever do that, but if that's all that you're doing, then you're really going back to the low level relating that we're talking about like the old French fries warmed up in seed oil. That's really pretty gross. I don't want it. I want like the filet mignon at the great restaurant that's cooked in high quality oils. And how do we have that? And you know, you're talking about honesty, being real. We're talking about practice with each other as women, and I think this is a new way of relating.

Speaker 1: 27:06

I I've always, I've always had friends and I've always had women around me. I grew up with a sister. I have a much younger sister as well, but I didn't. We didn't grow up together. Um, and my mother always had friends. I always saw my mother surrounded by friends and I always saw one of my grandmothers had a lot of friends. The other one really didn't. She maybe had one friend but she was more into like her marriage and the husband and didn't quite have the friendships. So I saw a lot of different kinds of things and I really just wanted deep friendships with women and I never really knew how to have it.

Speaker 1: 27:49

When my kids were growing up and when I was teaching, my friends were naturally my kids' parents no, my kids' friends' parents. I tried so hard to be friends with them. I tried so hard, catherine, I really did, and I would hit it sometimes, but it was mostly not satisfying because my experience was that so many mothers just want to talk about their children and I can get on that ride from here to kingdom come, but it can only go so deep. You know that conversation and the complaining, the typical way.

Speaker 1: 28:31

And then later on I had more friendships that were people that I worked with that I really loved and cared about and I noticed I would start to go away with women when my kids were maybe like nine or 10, we would go on like a women's weekend and it was as good as I knew how to have it back then. But when I think about it, it was kind of like a break is really what it was but it wasn't really nourishing or feeding my soul. It was like a lot of drinking wine and complaining and like cooking and walking, which is great there's nothing wrong with those things but it didn't. It didn't ever really really touch the spot of what I really wanted and I've just always been craving that, you know. And the more work I did on myself and the more I put myself in rooms where this beautiful Latina woman can come up to me and tell me some truth that she was talking to my daughter about, that's when I really began to have it and it just started with myself.

Speaker 2: 29:47

Thanks so much for that. Oh, thank you for the visual, though. So good, just women talking about their kids drinking wine, going for a walk and cooking, and it was like a break right, Probably like break from the routine, from what you're used to. And we, like, had street fights and, you know, backed each other on that when we fought men and there were guns involved and all kinds of weird shit growing up, so.

Speaker 2: 30:20

But in my I think I was about 19 when I was like, oh, I don't like how this feels. It's a very codependent. I don't think I had the words for that then. Not, I don't think I know I don't have the words for that. That was when I walked into my first yoga studio and oh, because I was like, if I keep getting in these fights and my friends get into fights too, I probably have an anger management issue. I should probably check on that shit. And so I did, because you can't really be old and fighting with your hands and handling conversations with your hands, you end up in prison. So I didn't want to do that. But as I started to enter different rooms and started to see the care and love and the backing there, I was like, oh, this is different and it still took some time.

Speaker 2: 31:20

When I had my first diagnosis in my 30s, my early 30s, I was like, wow, I've worked so hard and I'm debt-free and have a nice place and relationship, et cetera, Something's missing. I didn't even know it was missing until I knew it was missing, and I didn't even know how to have it because I didn't have even the possibility of it, Because I didn't even have access to my oh. I feel emotional right now. I didn't even know how I could create it. I thought to myself what am I working so hard for? Why am I looking to have more time freedom and more money freedom If, at the end of the day, I'm not able to nurture what I have? And I definitely had tons of cleanup back then? Can you imagine truth telling at that time in my life, Jesus Christ, I was like a fucking bulldozer. It was horrendous. I and people loved it. Everybody came to me all the time to ask me what I thought about shit, because I can see things right, and so that's always been. That's always been there. I've always had sight. If you're a client of mine and you're listening to this, I'm sorry. I love you and I don't know how to teach that. It's just like my God spark right, it's something that it's my gift. Somebody could come to me and give me all the pieces and I see shit underneath, Like I see, as if I have x-ray vision and so telling people sometimes some shit.

Speaker 2: 32:52

When they asked me, I used to have consent. Back then they would tell me, please tell me. Then I would tell them and they wouldn't want to kill the messenger. It was fucking horrendous. Oh my goodness, Fast forward.

Speaker 2: 33:04

Now I have more than a decade two decades learning how to hone this and I'm like oh, consent actually is just part of it. I also have to evaluate is this person being honest with me? If, for some reason, I've misread this, am I willing to hold the brunt of this? Sometimes the answer is no and I won't share. I realized, oh, I'm in a particular pattern sometimes where people want to bait me because they can't fight anywhere else. They want to fight me.

Speaker 2: 33:34

I know, I have that in my DNA and it's like how do you still back someone who's asking you for consent even though you know they're not really asking? It's like a completely new level of play. I just had somebody ask me the other day, say oh, but I know you have an opinion. I'm like of course I have an opinion. They're like say, oh, but I know you have an opinion. I'm like of course I have an opinion. They're like well, so tell me. I'm like no, I really think that my opinion will be your opinion, or a different version of that very soon. But this is the lesson that you have to go through, and I can see that it's taken me so long to be able to see that it was exhausting to get here. But I can see that it's taken me so long to be able to see that it was exhausting to get here, but I can see that now.

Speaker 2: 34:16

And so there is some discernment that takes place as you back your sisters right when somebody's going through a lesson and yes, you can see, but you know, what's better than telling somebody something than actually living, experiencing it and knowing it for themselves? Sometimes sight is just that. It's just for me to have. I don't have to share it. So, as we want to back others, we want to be honest. As we want to be backed, we want them to be honest with us. We want to be someone that can you know, somebody can be honest with and as well, I want everybody to have connection and intimacy at deep levels, and I also wish you discernment to allow people their lessons and their development, especially if there are a few steps behind, because you can back them in their experience. You can just hold them and tell them I understand this is tough, you are resourceful, you are capable, I back you and what do you need?

Speaker 2: 35:24

In this episode we've touched so many different places how my relationship with Brenda started, how honesty honesty is so important, how we have opinions but we don't always have to give them. And if we're giving them, please have consent. And if we fucked it up, please clean it up, Own your part, hold yourself. And why all of this? Because life is so much better lived with others. We're not meant to do this alone, Not because we can't, because it's so much more rewarding when we do it in connection. I'm feeling like we're wrapping this up, but I want to just check in with Brenda and see if there's something you want, something else you want to say.

Speaker 1: 36:11

That was a gorgeous, gorgeous summary. I want to frame this as permission, approval, approval for the journey, approval for the process that someone goes through, which, if you have women in your life, it's their process and journey is going to look different than yours and they're going to learn lessons in a different way. And the biggest piece, which is so beautiful and you touched on it before in your story is reflecting each other's power to each other, seeing each other as whole and capable and powerful, and not having to come in and fix it or tell them what to do or give them all the pieces, but having so much trust for the journey that you just let them have their journey. You don't have to interject your genius of how you think it should go, and that is a beautiful gift. And that's seeing someone in their full power. And that's what we need more of in this world is women in their full power. This world is women in their full power. And, like we talked about earlier, that is the soft, open, receptive power. It's about trusting and allowing, not forcing.

Speaker 1: 37:44

Thank you so much for joining us today in this two-part series on sisterhood. Today, in this two-part series on sisterhood, maybe we'll do more. We would love to hear what your takeaways are from this episode, from this part one and part two of sisterhood, and what do you want to hear more of? Where do you struggle with women, with sisterhood? This is something common to struggle with. This is a huge desire that we have is friends and laughter, and truth telling and joy and celebration, and how do we have it? So where do you feel stuck and where can we back you? Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you for joining us on the desire is medicine podcast.

Speaker 2: 38:39

Desire invites us to be honest, loving and deeply intimate with ourselves and others. You can find our handles in the show notes. We'd love to hear from you.