125 ~ Being Okay With Right Now and Why It Changes Everything

Want a new year with resolutions that doesn’t fall apart by February? Go straight to sustainable change by making peace with right now so your goals have solid ground. Instead of forcing quick wins that fade, we explore how acceptance turns desire into a steady practice. True growth feels like a spiral, where you revisit old patterns with new wisdom, not the same you.

Together we unpack the difference between change and transformation, sharing candid stories from our health and money journeys. Catherine talks about the cost of an easeful retirement and how intentional systems beat impulse every time. Brenda brings the body into focus, walking through strength training at home, catching the urge to skip, and choosing the smallest next step that still builds self-trust. We get practical about calendars, trainers, grocery lists, and automatic transfers. These are so helpful when motivation dips.

You’ll hear how to spot the inner critic’s “radio” and change the station without drama, how to honor the grief that comes with new commitments, and how to ask cleaner questions: Where am I right now? What do I want? What is one action I can take today? If your resolutions are big but your energy wobbles, this conversation will help you create a kinder, more effective path forward. Take one small vote at a time for the life you want.

Tell us: what desire are you backing this week?

Desire becomes sustainable when we “back ourselves” with simple systems. 

Highlights:
• acceptance as the foundation for change
• the spiral of growth rather than backsliding
• moving from self-criticism to self-trust
• systems that make follow-through easier
• naming the true cost of your desires
• grief and closure inside new commitments
• catching and changing the inner critic channel
• choosing one next step you can do today

You can find our Handles in the show notes.

Chapters

• 0:00 Meet The Hosts And Premise
• 1:45 A New Year Focus On The Now
• 3:40 Accepting Reality Before Change
• 6:40 Can Self-Hate Create Sustainable Change
• 10:30 Sustainability Through Acceptance
• 14:20 The Spiral Of Growth Not Backsliding
• 18:20 Catching The Inner Critic Channel
• 22:20 How We Personally Practice Acceptance
• 28:00 Systems That Help You Back Yourself
• 33:00 Desire, Cost, And Becoming The Person
• 36:50 Slowing Down, Breathing, And Next Steps
• 39:30 Close: Have Desire Without Shame

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:07

Welcome to Desire is Medicine. We are two very different women living a life led by desire, inviting you into our world.

SPEAKER_01: 0:16

I'm Brenda. I'm a devoted practitioner to being my fully expressed true self in my daily life, motherhood, relationships, and my business. Desire has taken me on quite a ride, and every day I practice listening to and following the voice within. I'm a middle school teacher, turned coach and guide of the feminine.

SPEAKER_00: 0:36

And I'm Catherine, devoted to living my life as the truest and hopefully the highest version of me. I don't have children, I've never been married, I've spent equal parts of my life in corporate as in some down and low shady spaces. I was the epitome of Tired and Wired, and my path led me to explore desire. I'm a coach, guide, energy worker, and a forever student.

SPEAKER_01: 0:58

Even after decades of inner work, we are humble beginners, on the mat, still exploring, always curious. We believe that listening to and following the nudge of desire is a deep spiritual practice that helps us grow.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12

On the Desire as Medicine podcast, we talk to each other, we interview people we know and love about the practice of desire, bringing in a very important piece that is often overlooked. Being responsible for our desire. Welcome back, everyone. Family, friends, listeners to another episode of the Desire as Medicine Podcast. We're so happy to have you. Oh, what a year it has been. 2026, here we are. And normally Brenda and I would be recording on something like very new year-ish. What are your what's your word of the year? Talking about resolutions, closure, beginnings. And today, what's on my mind for the new year is like the reminder that along with the word of the year, along with our intentions for growth, along with our goals, whether 2x or 10x, along with resolutions combined with closure, in order to have a new beginning, we need to be okay with right now. Like right now has to be okay. And how do we make right now okay? A few episodes back, Brenda and I talked about how a past version of us would just like kill for this version of us, right? Like, can I skip over all the steps and give me that version of me in 2026? But yeah, here we are. And that might be you for some of you. You might be like, I think this version of me in 2026 is amazing, and everything that I have is amazing. But for those of us that are not there all the time, those of us that are not living in the gain all the time, those of us that lean towards looking at where the gap is, what we haven't accomplished, where we haven't gone yet. Keyword, key phrase, yet. Byron Cady has uh another gorgeous book that I would highly recommend if you this is the first time you hear this concept, which I can't imagine if you're a longtime listener of the podcast, because I think we talk about Brenda and I talk about books all the time. But basically, the thought is nothing else should be happening other than what's happening, because that is what's happening. So for one reason or another, it should be happening. The problem becomes when we are upset with reality. We don't like reality and we say, no, no, no, I don't accept reality. I want something different. And we're not saying you can't have something different. It's just that before you can have something different, we have to accept right now. Come to come to terms with this is actually what is, and how can we be one with what's actually happening? Can we find a comfortable place of surrender and acceptance? And with that, I know you know that my lovely co-host is here. I'm gonna pass the baton to Brenda to see what comes up for you here, Brenda.

SPEAKER_01: 4:39

Thank you, Catherine, and happy new year, everybody. Happy 2026. So excited to be here, truly, in season three. This is a great question. I'm so glad that we're recording on this for the new year because it's such a universal question. I don't even think we're ready to answer it yet. The question is, how do we make right now okay? And I love just pondering this question and slowing down with just the question alone. So if you're listening, I'm just so curious what comes to mind for you. How do we make right now okay? Because I think that we're generally living in another time, maybe the past or the future, or how we wish it would be, or how difficult or annoying it is right now, how we wish our circumstances would be different, which underneath there is desire, a desire for something, right? But we can't hate ourselves into change, we can't hate the moment and then expect it to change. We can't hate ourselves into transformation. So, how do we make right now okay? This is the million-dollar question.

SPEAKER_00: 6:08

You know what I thought of when you spoke about hate ourselves into transformation? I feel like we can hate ourselves enough to change certain things. I mean, I think addiction falls in there, right? I hate this enough that I need this substance or this other thing to numb out from this moment. But I don't think it lasts, it's not sustainable. I think that's one of the key things that we want to bring today in order to really have transformation that lasts, like true transformation, I guess. We can technically change if we're beating ourselves up. There will be a change, but we have to constantly be whipping ourselves. It's like a constant whip versus if we can accept and pivot and change it little by little post acceptance, we have a much higher chance of sustainability in that location.

SPEAKER_01: 7:09

Yeah, that's a really great point. Because we can hate something or be irritated with something enough that we're willing to change it. Oh, I don't fit into my jeans, my clothes don't fit, really need to lose a few pounds. You can do that, right? And there's nothing wrong with that. But if you're constantly on a path of fixing yourself because you can't stand it, you're gonna fit into those genes, but then you're gonna hate your nose. You're gonna hate your hair, you're gonna hate your hips. You're gonna really hate menopause. So there's something underneath that is asking to be loved and cared for. So we're not saying you shouldn't change or want things to be different. I'm on a huge health journey right now where I'm doing great things with my body and I am losing weight right now, but it's from a place of health, focusing on health and my desire to live a long, healthy life as opposed to fitting into pants better. The irony is that I'm fitting into my pants better, which is great. But it's take me a long time to get here. And it certainly did not come from hating myself or thinking that my life was going to be different because I changed X, Y, or Z externally.

SPEAKER_00: 8:48

When we talk about sustainability or hating ourselves somewhere, I think you've you gave a great example. When I think about doing something to fit into genes, when I think of the is it sustainable, is that if I didn't change a habit or I didn't wasn't okay with the way things were, if for some reason I backslide to that location again, I'm like, oh, I can't believe I'm here again. You know, it's this constant annoyance of uh, I did this again. And it's not to say that failure, like failure is part of the path, the path. Sliding back is part of all of it. But we get a bigger bang for our buck when we can accept where we are so that when we slide back, we understand it doesn't have to be permanent. And if it was, it's fine. But if I want it not to be, that's okay too, and I can move towards something different. Versus I don't accept the present, whatever reality is that I'm not I'm not accepting. I have a quick change of some kind, and then I can't stick to it, and then I'm back to where I was, and then I feel like I've let myself down. And then I let myself down again, and then I let myself down again. Because usually when we have those quick fixes or like a really fast transformation of some kind, it comes from I'm never doing that again. I'm never gonna be there again. Oh, this is not for me in this and they work too. I'm just speaking of like generally, it's gonna be a lot more loving and kind to yourself if you can accept where you are and gently move towards where you prefer to be.

SPEAKER_01: 10:51

Amen. And also this idea of, oh, I'm back here again. I think we've all felt that in some way. Oh my God, I was doing so great with going to the gym and eating well. And then this holiday happened. I ate all that food and now I'm back to the old habits again. I don't know that we actually go back to where we were before because healing and change happens in a spiral. So maybe we're back to a spot that looks the same as it was before. Maybe you get back to not eating the way you want or not exercising the way you want. We've all been there. But you've learned something in that time period. And so I do believe that it's a little easier to get back on track. We're also learning lessons along the way. We're learning who we are. And maybe you've picked up some wisdom from your circle around the sun. So when you're quote, back in that location, it's actually a brand new location. Because you've never been here today, right now, even if you've been in a similar spot. You've learned things along the way that you can now apply to this spot that you didn't have last time. And I think that's a really important piece because it's really easy to say, oh, I let myself down, I'm back here again, here I am again. And it's just another way to beat yourself up. And that's not helpful.

SPEAKER_00: 12:28

I love that distinction. What I hear you saying is pointing to when we're back to something, we're not back to that version of us. We are back to a circumstance, predominantly the circumstance where that we want to avoid, we don't like, that we're not in approval of. But we may back, maybe we may be back at that circumstance. We are back as a different us, like a different version of us is back at that circumstance. And that's a great reminder for sure. I think it's really easy to take that part for granted because I think the assumption is if I know how to do better and I'm doing better, then I wouldn't be in that circumstance. I'm beyond that circumstance. The thing is, as we are changing habits, we're accepting ourselves at different locations and we're growing. There will be some air quote form of failure, some form of backslide, some form of revisiting an old circumstance that we were in, and it's all part of the course, and we don't have to see it as anything other than giving us more information and more opportunity to learn and grow and move on from that location.

SPEAKER_01: 13:46

Yeah, I love this idea of talking about failure because there's a whole bunch of people who don't even subscribe that there's any failure at all. There's no such thing as mistakes because you're just learning along the way. And that's a great frame, but sometimes we do feel like we failed or we made a mistake, and that's okay too. But it's like, what are you learning? What did you learn along the way? And how can you apply it to right now? That's the biggest thing. And when we can reorient from success and failure, good and bad, right and wrong, then we're actually in a growth-oriented space. So even if things like you said it perfectly, even if we find ourselves back in a similar circumstance, we're not actually the same person. We are literally a different person because we have never been right here right now today. Never. Even though you and I have recorded a million times, we've never been right here right now where we are. And we take all the lessons that we've learned and apply them. And if you can get on board with that mindset, then you can just leave behind regret, mistakes, moral failings, embarrassment, all the mind chatter and the radio fuck you to yourself, and just start coasting, start cruising instead of holding yourself back with all of those ideas that you screwed it up.

SPEAKER_00: 15:27

I love that so much. Did you say radio fuck you?

SPEAKER_01: 15:32

I said radio, fuck you. Isn't that the best? I heard someone say that back in the day. And I just think it nails how we speak to ourselves sometimes. Radio, fuck you. I would change that dial.

SPEAKER_00: 15:50

Mic drop, that was really powerful. Yes, I agree. I think that we have to change the dial. Before we can even change the dial, we have to know that we have it on. Right? That it's sort of the background noise. It's there, it's moving. And did we catch it?

SPEAKER_01: 16:05

Such a great point because you don't know anything different than what's happening inside of you. And thank God we do talk about these things these days. But you made a great point. You have to even know that you're on that channel. We're so used to speaking to ourselves in a different way, in a certain way, or having a certain kind of experience with ourselves that it's like a fish in water. You don't even realize that it's happening. Which is why we have teachers and coaches and podcasts and books that can kind of take us out of ourselves and give us a different perspective of what's possible. And we can have realizations about ourselves. And just going back to what we're talking about, how do we make right now okay? How can I accept myself right now as I am? Because it is the only way that we can ever make a change. But you can't accept yourself and and say, okay, I accept myself and now let's change. It's just a little bit more subtle and nuanced than that. Right?

SPEAKER_00: 17:14

Yes, I would ask you. I'm sure Linusners want to know. So you see something that you're not in acceptance of.

SPEAKER_01: 17:30

If I see something that I'm not in acceptance of, I'm trying to think of an example. Why don't you go first since you have yours?

SPEAKER_00: 17:37

I don't have a specific example, but I know what like the stage. I know what happens. So normally if there's something I'm not in acceptance of, the first stage is why I'm not why am I not okay with it? Like, where do I think I need to be and why? So one of the bigger frames that I'm working with right now is retirement. Retirement really came into my purview. I think I've talked about this on the podcast, and we will be having a great interview for you guys on money, but I'm just dropping a little seedling on that one. Stay tuned. But with money for myself, when I decided I wanted to be able to retire comfortably, I was like, oh, I should be ready to retire yesterday. I didn't necessarily necessarily think that this was possible yesterday, but today I think it's possible, so I want it today. And that is such a crazy uh uh like it doesn't make logical sense. When I look at myself, I said, Catherine, that doesn't that doesn't make sense. Like you don't decide you want a cake today and then it just appears, right? Like you have to make it just request it, ask for it, buy it, something like there has to be something between myself, what I want, and the creation. In this case, retirement. I'm sure I guess uh a more honest phrase would be that in my mind, I just never thought it was possible. And so it wasn't something I was really shooting for. And then I've done enough work with myself, my investments, my money journey, my budgeting, my tracking, my oh my god, so many thousands of steps. And then all of a sudden I'm at the door that says, Oh, you could potentially get there, it's going to be A stretch is going to require a lot of you, but this is air quotes a possibility. Then it becomes a possibility. Now I'm upset that I didn't start this trajectory 20 years ago. So the first step for me is why do I think I should be somewhere else? That's my first stage. And then it's like, oh I think I should be somewhere else because I just want to be somewhere else. And so I'm just saying you should be. But there was nothing in hindsight, like there's nothing in the in the past or in hindsight that there's no location where I was shooting for this, or where I had the information that I have now way back when. So it can't be true that I should be somewhere else because I'm literally not. So that's a false statement. And is my belief that I should be somewhere different helping me? Well, no. It's not helping me go forward. And I don't have any, I'm not excavating any gold and looking back. I understand how I got from way back where to here. Now I just have to remind myself all the time, whenever I have that thought, I should be somewhere else. I can only be where I am. And I know where I want to go. So how do I continue to hone where I'm going? Does that answer?

SPEAKER_01: 21:58

Oh, so beautifully. Such a great Catherine answer. Such beautiful, precise, compassionate curiosity is what I'm hearing in your response. Just a lot of logic and asking yourself these questions. Like your own coach. She's laughing. Catherine's a great coach. I love this conversation. So for me, it's noticing. So I notice I'm having a behavior that I don't like so much. I'm like, oh, this isn't how I want to be. Right. And then I notice how it feels. This doesn't feel good. Doesn't feel good to not back myself in the way that I want to back myself. And then I ask myself, well, what is it that I want? So go back to desire. Oh, like right now I'm on a health journey and I'm working on physical strength, getting stronger. So if I'm skipping my weight workout, um, that doesn't feel good because it's not supporting my long-term desire for physical strength so I can live a long, healthy, vibrant life. So that doesn't feel good. So I come back to my desire. And then I ask myself, what do I need to do to get there? What are the steps that I need to take? What are the decisions I need to make in order to get there? And then my mind is like, yeah, yeah, we'll do that next week. Don't believe the voices, people. So I bring it back to the now and I said, what can I do right now to take a step, follow the breadcrumbs in the direction of this desire? And sometimes it's right now, like yesterday, I wanted to do my workout. And I could have very easily skipped it. I mean, how easy is it to skip your workout? And I thought about how I want to feel in the future, how I want to feel after the workout. Am I willing to, in this moment, make the choice that supports how I want to feel and the life that I really want to live? So it's like it's like icing on the cake with sprinkles and a cherry. It's just all going in the direction that I want it to go. And then longer term, it's really accepting myself, getting getting on the track of this. Like I was away over Thanksgiving. I was eating a lot more food than I generally have been. So I just got off track. And so for me, part of this acceptance is understanding that I'm on a journey and it's not going to be perfect. That's a very important piece because I'm not a machine. I'm a woman. And I want the life and I have the privilege of doing this where I can maybe take a few days off from my workout or eat all the stuffing on holidays that I love and some extra things and still be okay. Right now, that's still okay. And can I accept myself in the imperfection of the journey? Like, oh, I went on away and I dropped my workouts for a week or two. And I think that's a really important piece because otherwise you're stuck in beating yourself up in, oh my God, I didn't do this. I got off track. Oh, this is so hard. I'm a failure, blah, blah, blah. Radio, fuck you. Instead of this is a natural part of the process. This is a natural transition. Maybe some people are cold turkey on and off kind of people. Maybe more sacral people are, but I'm more emotional authority. I'm more into the process. I've never been one to cut out caffeine fully. I'm the one who's going to do like half decaf and then go down a little bit until I get off caffeine if I'm working on that. I'm a process girl. So I know that about myself. I work best that way. And I just love and accept myself there. So things might take a little bit longer. But for me, it's a more loving journey.

SPEAKER_00: 26:30

I love the loving journey. I would say, if you're asking, I think I do both. In some places, I just cut something out. Usually it depends on the strength of my decision. I am sacral. So if I want something bad enough, I can easily say I'm not doing that anymore. But those are far and few between. Like that's not the norm, but it does happen. I mean, this is between you us, right? As I am on the radio waves. Um, like in my early 20s, I smoked. And there was a time when I tried to quit and tried to lean off. I mean, maybe I think I smoke like a pack a week. I don't know, something like that, maybe less pack a month. I was like social smoker drinker. And I did attempt, I think, by 30 to do it. Then I think I attempted it again. Then I started it back, and then I attempted it again. And it was this weaning process. And then for whatever X, Y, or Z reason, vanity reasons, at about 35, I said to myself, Oh, if I keep smoking, I'm gonna have those lines on my lip, and I don't want that. So I'm just not smoking anymore. And that was it. That was like the last time I smoked. So I've attempted it that way. In addition to when we talk about workouts, in 2018, I had a fall, and I was sort of consistent with trainers, consistent by myself. Like my weight and my my weight, my weight training, that's been a journey in itself. Post surgeries and just body composition, all these kinds of things. But I don't want to get too far into that rabbit hole. Right now, what works for me is I just have a trainer and I work out twice a week with that trainer, like full stop. And sometimes I'm off, sometimes I'm not. And like you said, I'm not a machine. But short of I'm sick or I can't make it because of a kind time constraint, those are the only reasons why I don't engage. But if I don't feel like it, or I'm tired, or I don't know, whatever other sort of like excuse I can come up with, I won't give it to myself. Like I won't not do the thing that I said I was gonna do. And so I have examples of both of those that you mentioned. What I I would love to circle back to is something that you said. And I think you say this often. And I'm gonna see if we can come up with a different way of saying or different phrases or different ways of saying it. You often say it doesn't feel to not, it doesn't feel good to not back myself. And I always think, amen. I love when she says that. It's not a phrase I would use. The way I translate that is I choose to obey myself. Like I choose to honor my word to myself. Like I choose to increase my self-trust. But if we were to just slow down and marry the two thoughts of one, there's nothing wrong with us. Right now is perfect, right? Let's find a way to really accept right now, while also marrying it with it doesn't feel good to not back myself. Then the reverse of that is it feels good to back myself, or I like backing myself because I like moving towards what I want. And really, sort of like every time we move towards what we want, we're voting yes again to that. Like if we get a universal ballot, we get to be like, yes, please, I want this. Yes, please, I want this. Yes, please, I want to be stronger, I'm gonna go lift. Yes, please, I want to be healthier, I'm gonna eat this versus that. This sort of, and I think that is the natural sort of movement, right? If we were to give it a timeline or any form of linear form, all right, let's look at where am I right now? Let's notice, like you said, you you notice, oh, something feels off, right? How would I like it to be instead? And then what is it gonna take of me? I have a mentor who says we often think about what we want. We think about the desire. We don't often think about the cost to have the desire. So currently the cost of my retirement means that I don't just buy something because I want it. Like that's not enough. I need it needs to hit other markers. Or, like I said before, being tired is not good enough to not go to the gym. I I would have to like physically not feel well. I have to be physically incapable to do the thing that I said I'm gonna do. It's already scheduled, it's on my calendar. I'm not moving away from that. So the cost is that, oh, I'm backing myself and there's really no no here as far as the workout is. And as far as the money's concerned, like, oh yeah, there's no unintentional spending because I have an intentional financial goal, right? So unintentional spending is the cost, like that has to be sort of eliminated and out. And it requires a different version of me to step up, which has me think of like new year, new you, right? Like, what's our word of the year? What's our resolution? What are we beginning? What are we in like looking to attain? But there's also some grief and some closure, right? When we're stepping into a new version of us. For me, the grief and the closure is like, oh wow, I really enjoyed just if I wanted, I buy it. Right? Or, oh, I really enjoyed if I wanted to go work out, I worked out, but I didn't have a commitment with a trainer. I didn't have to go through all of those steps to not show up. Now, well, and that was because when I fell that time, which literally it was less than an inch of concrete, like it tripped over something really small, like a pebble of some, you know, it's the lip of the sidewalk was a little higher and I missed it and I tripped. And I thought, oh, I'm getting to an age where I can't afford air quotes because the cost is very various, not just monetary, to fall and like break a hip. I need to be strong. And so that was seven years ago. And I've been training since I'm in my 20s. I'm not by any means a bodybuilder, but it reminded me that incident made it super clear. I want to be somebody that trains. What are you hearing? Or where are we on your side?

SPEAKER_01: 33:59

Yeah, I think this is all great. And I love that you I'm gonna use the word back yourself again. Create systems for yourself that support you in what you want in your life. And we talk about that a lot. And that's what I mean by back yourself. How can I create the circumstances in my day, in my week, in my life so that I can have my desire. That's what I'm hearing. So if you want to eat healthier, it doesn't start when you're making dinner. It starts when you go food shopping. It might even start when you make your shopping list. And like you said, there has to be a version of you that's gonna show up, not the version who's like, well, let's get all this stuff anyway. This is fun, the fun person, right? So there's a different version of you that has to show up to have this desire. And that's the growth journey is becoming that person. That is literally the crux of this podcast. Desire is medicine. How do you become the person who can have your desire? For me, it's about self-love, loving myself enough to get my ass in the other room and do my weights. And right now, I'm at a place where I'm so determined that I am doing my workouts at home. I don't want to go to the gym. I I think I wouldn't, I wouldn't go. I like just doing it in this particular way. So you have to really find what works for you. So it's loving myself and then I build trust with myself, which ultimately builds confidence. And that's what it is for me. So, how do we accept ourselves right now? Where are you right now? Can you breathe into that? You might not like it. It might not be where you wish you could be in the future, which all that is, folks, is a desire. You have a desire for something. And like you said, there has to be some action to having the cake. You don't just think you want a cake, you're not, I dream of genie, and then the cake appears. There's an action that needs to happen from the desire of wanting the cake to having the cake in front of you. And who are you? And are you willing to accept yourself along the way and take the actions to get to that cake? Because the cake is good. The cake is good. So I really do want to add in breathing. We talk about slowing down a lot, and accepting yourself requires some slowing down. Some slowing down, some breathing, some desire. Yeah. And maybe a calendar invite or two to have that cake. What is your cake? What's the cake that you want? We would love to know.

SPEAKER_00: 37:26

My gosh, I had so many thoughts. I was like ready to go on another peek. So I'm just gonna spit fire them so that we don't like get lost in it. I was thinking when you were talking about, like, oh yes, this is definitely about us having our desire without shaming ourselves while accepting our human condition. And when we don't accept our own reality of where we are, that is how we create suffering in ourselves. Like pain is guaranteed. Like we're always gonna, like, pain exists in life. Like life is 50-50, 50% is gonna suck, it's just gonna suck. But if we're looking at the suck and we're like, oh, it shouldn't be sucking, then we're suffering. Because then it's like, well, why is this happening to me? This doesn't happen to other people, and whatever other, you know, fantasy is happening. It's not true. Like everybody has pain. And I mean, it's horrendous to say, but if there's no pain or discomfort in somebody's life, then we would like to invite you to dream bigger. Because pain, discomfort in what's happening right now for you means that there is a bigger desire for you. There is a life that's calling you to be lived into. Like, will you answer the call? Will you say yes? And with that, we we know that we are in the new year. We know that you want to set a resolution, you know. We know that you want to create your word of the year and you want to have complete closure for 2025 and new beginnings. And we are just literally inviting you to pause, breathe, be with where you are. Ask yourself, can I be okay with exactly what is? And then from there, pivot. What do I want instead? And then from there, go for it. Disregard the discomfort. It is just part of the course. Until next time, have your desire without shame while accepting your human condition.

SPEAKER_01: 39:50

Thank you for joining us on the Desire is Medicine podcast.

SPEAKER_00: 39:54

Desire invites us to be honest, loving, and deeply intimate with ourselves and others. You can find our Handles in the show notes. We'd love to hear from you.